truth about cheating / cutting weight / diet
ok before i start talking, check this out. this is an all natural bodybuilder, never even taken a protein shake or any form of BCAA or anything when he was competing. (he's 63 at the moment and he's doing a bodybuilding show with me September 13 in Ct) http://youtube.com/watch?v=Lu636KO98Fo ---------- theres his video on youtube and if you click on his name there is 1 more video of him posing.
this man never did cardio in his life. his cardio was no rest in training. Bench Press with lat pull down. everything was done with extreamly high intenisity and the entire workout was a super set. thats how i train. it works
anyway - his theory is watch what you eat but f*ck it. he eats a half of a gallon of icecream a night. pounds of cheese. ect ect. he does not diet. plus he loves his beer.
wtf is going on with no cheating rule? or cheat 1 day a week...? wat the hell is that about. if you take in 2500 calories a day. and burn 3000 calories a day, you are still in a calorie deflict of 500 calories. Granted you have to take in the right amount of protein, carbs, fats. after that, eat w/e the hell you want. just deflict the calories.
so what im trying to say is... right now i already have my 185 grams of protein in me. i already have all the carbs i need which is about 110 right now. and my fats i already had when i ate 2 table spoons of peanut butter and 1 tablespoon of olive oil. so tonight, i am going to have cookie dough icecream. and tommorow morning when i wake up, i am going to train on a empty stomach doing back and chest and abs.
I remember hearing that it takes 48 - 72 hours for fat to be stored. so if i workout everyday, and cheat everyday, by theory those calories should not be stored into fat. or is that theory BS?
My theory about bodybuilders and cardio. (taught to me by the man in the video)
- when you are onstage, the judges dont ask you to do cardio. they dont care if you can climb the stair master for 1 hour. ride the bike for 45 minutes. or run a 6 minute mile. they care about your muscle definition, size, proportion, ect, ect. So instead of cardio, me and this man pose. for 2 hours a night 5x a week. 1 hour for the mandatory poses, 30 minutes for positions / leg positions how to make your legs look bigger, different angels, we tweak teh poses a little bit, and than 30 minutes of your music routine. (we do all of this privately) Posing, burns calories, fat, and makes you tired. it will also raise your heart rate. so why not pose to burn fat. What does running do for me? All i no running does for me is makes my legs harder to grow, harder to get the quad to have 4 different separations. Makes my calves look good, but not my quad. Posing rips everything. your legs your abs your chest, everything! and thats what it takes to be a successful bodybuilder.
i have talked to many body builders at the gym. the gym i belong to is stacked with bodybuilders on the juice and off the juice. from 8 at night to 10 at night is prime time bodybuilding time. there is at least 7 of them. all very nice people too. http://evancentopani.com/. that guy goes to my gym. tons of them. 8 people from the fitness atlantic organization go to my gym.
i have asked them how long do you pose. Generally speakin its 30 - 45 minutes 3x a week.
however, these guys also do cardio. Increase your posing and you do not need to do cardio..!!! that my theory. and eat w/e the hell you want as long as you get the proper amount of carbs / proteins and fat. than once you got that, eat junk food or w/e. just make sure to be in a calorie deflection!!!
is any one with me on this one?
or are you all against me?
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Very sad post...
Guys, hopefully "we" all can AGREE to DISAGREE and move on... his blog isn't really helping or contributing to MFT... what works for me won't work for Stevers or Will I Am and vice versa. Let's share our experiences, tips, tricks, advice, etc... but let's not Preach, we are all adults here and can respect each others individuality.
Thanks!
Hey man best of luck in your
Hey man best of luck in your in September, If ice cream and beer can help you achieve your goals then thumbs up to you man if thats what makes you happy...like steve said you are what you inside, I did a show and diid great but now im realizing that keeping the inside of your body is much more important then the outside...if the keep the inside healthy the outside will follow. No need for arguements, this is a place for postive attitudes..
OK BOYS EASY HERE ...
.Everyone is entitled to his own opinion , there is some good points and some bad points and this is what makes blogging very interesting , I went through the whole conversation and what I noticed is THIS ONE DID AND THAT ONE DID ..AND I DID THIS AND EAT THIS !
MY point is everyone is different in his own way in FINDING OUT WHAT WORK FOR HIM ! and YOU have to ... all of you find WHAT WORKS FOR YOU !
Bodybuilders are a breed of their own , once they start getting result a certain way they alway try to shy away from cardio ( Im not pointing the finger to anyone ! )
IM ROBBIE Brother ,I want to clear some issue for you : READ BELOW what you wrote and my opinion on it
IMROBBIE :
if i eat icecream monday, tuesday, wednesday, thrusday, and have not trained on those days, i will get fatter. On non train days, my diet is clean as hell. On training days, i dont care what i eat, as long as i get everything i need.
do you have a private email address, i will send you his thesis statement and maybe it will make more sense to you. this man has done what Darwin has done for science, to bodybuilding. he is very well known. so please, whats your personal email i would like to send you his thesis statement.
AND.... i never said Jamo or whoever else on this site never knows what they are talking about. Just looking at jamo you can tell he knows what he is talking about. so go ahead on follow him. but read his 250 page thesis statement first to get 2 options to choose from.
MY OPINION ON THIS :
I truly think that the approach is wrong , bodybuilding has tremendously changed since the old days , WHAT YOU EAT SIS WHAT YOU ARE ! You eat good quality food , you will build up good quality tissue ! If you start messing up with your calorie intake and involving but choices you will pay for it in the long run. The way YOU LOOK IS VERY IMPORTANT IT DOESNT MATTER OFF SEASON OR ON SEASON , YOU DON'T NEED TO BULK AND LOOK PUFFY ITS A BAD LOOK , BODYBUILDERS ALWAYS FIND THAT EXCUSES I NEED TO BE 30 POUNDS OFF SEASON TO BE ABLE TO COME IN BIG WHEN I DIET DOWN !!!! ITS SO WRONG !!!
Now if YOU don't CARE what you eat , its YOUR personal choice , and if you decided to do so by following someone's philosphy ! Im not asking you to do so or listen to me , Im asking you to think and follow what make sense brother !
THIS PART HERE NOW FROM IMROBBIE :
"lets discuss cardio right now. FOR ME! running makes my legs "bloaded" it doesn't make them bigger but i loose definition. i dont know if it makes it smaller. however seeing how im competing soon, i am staying away from running because i want definition in my legs.
MY OPINION on THIS
It doesn't matter what your legs look like off season , they are not bloated from running they are bloated from the lactic acid build up ! NO THE CARDIO !!!!
Swimming - builds the back very well. cuts tons of calories. but for me, it doesn't do anything for my arms.
YOU ARE NOT THERE TO SWIM , swimming is a good cardio activity , it stimulate your muscles in a complete different way to the conventional bodybuilding training style
Riding the bike - same thing as running
I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THAT !!
Stair master - kills the legs, cant argue that. but i want cardio to benifit my entire body.
WRONG , cardio is cardio it benefits all your body it doesn't matter what machine you chose , you working on your CARDIO VASCULAR STRENGTH ..heart and lungs ability top perform when you lifting , at the same tie you increasing your metabolism activity A GOOD THING TO DO !
Boxing - is great. i box. however, it doesn't teach you muscle seperation. it just builds the lats, and shoulders.
BOXING IS A GREAT THING TO DO AS A SECOND THING ON THE TOP OF BODYBUILDING ..some of the best bodybuilders in the world were Boxers CHECK OUT MIKE MATARAZZO !!!! MUSCLE SEPARATION IS ALL TO DO WITH WHAT YOU EAT and ALSO YOUR GENETIC PREDISPOSITION , BLACK AMERICAN BOXERS are more muscular than CAUCASIANS ( apart in the case of a light weight or a middle weight ) SO REALLY I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUE YOU HAVING IS YOU WANT TO LOOK SHREDDED ALL YEAR AROUND BT YOU FINDING IT hard YOUR EATING HABITS need to be cleaned up !!
ROBBIE
Jump Rope - boring as hell and does the same thing for me as the stair master.
JAMO
Jump rope could be tedious but then again its all a personal choice , Julien greaux will jump rope for 2 hours as a form of cardio I HATE THET DAMN THING !!! but its a great form of cardio
Posing for me and many other people, teaches them muscle seperation. Muscle control. And burns fat at the same time. And you are holding your breath for 2 minutes in the vocum, front double bicep shot. All of you try holding your breath out there for 2 minutes. your heart will beat faster. So for me posing is what burns fat.
POSING IS BURNING FAT ?????
HMMMMMM very touchy question , the harder you squeeze a muscle the more definition you will get , but then again I don't see you getting any definition , if your are eating ice cream brother , WE DO THE FLEXING FOR 40 MINUTES AND SO ON starting 4 weeks before the show , to get those muscle bellies round and shaped , the last week we can pick the time to 60 minutes and TRUE ITS A GREAT WORKOUT and ITS DAMN HARD ,,WHEN I USED TO SHOOT FOR MAGAZINES , I GET MORE OF A WORKOUT SQUEEZING MY MUSCLE DURING A SHOOT THAN WHEN I TRAIN SOMETIMES !!!
IM ROBBIE
Oh let me touch on my workout real quick. the whole point of cardio is to get your heart right higher, finding what heart rate works for you for 20 or more minutes in order to burn fat. i mean there is more techinal shit than that, but thats why most people do cardio, to burn fat.
JAMO :
YES TRUE !!!!
Im ROBBIE
So try this, go to the gym and sprint for 2 minutes. your heart rate will sky rocket if you ran at 12mph for 2 minutes.
Than lets say its a chest and back day. try this
chest press - lat pull down 4sets of 10 - 12
vbar pull down with dumbell flys 4 sets of 10 - 12
dead lift with decline press 4 sets of 8-10
cable cross overs with pull backs / rows 4 sets 8-10
back flies with incline press - 4 sets of 10 - 12
incline dumbell with underhand lat pull down. 4 sets of 10 - 12 reps
thats 6 excersises for both chest and back, which is a pretty solid workout.
The sprinting for the short 2 minutes on the treadmill got my heart rate up. Now if i did this workout properly, the entire thing as a superset, no rest in between excersises, my heart rate will stay elavted for the entire 1 hour and 15 minutes in the gym.
I will keep the same heart rate as if i sprinted for the same amount of time. 75 - 85% MHR for 1 hour and 15. So in sense i did cardio for 1 hour and 15 minutes.
JAMO ;
Well the whole point of cardio is to be able to get shredded while dieting , if you workout fast during your weight session 20 minutes is more than enough . AGAIN IS SOMEONE IS ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO DOES ONE SET AND SIT AND LOOK AT HIMSELF FOR THREE MINUTES AND THEN DO THE SECOND ONE ..IM AFRAID YOU WON"T GET LEAN THIS WAY !!
Im ROBBIE
Let me also say that i workout with gym shorts, wife beater, tshirt and a thermal or a hoody, YEAR ROUND.
not to sweat out the water weight, but because when the body is hotter it burns more calories.
JAMO :
True in a way , but if you moving slow in the gym its not burning as much as you think ....its all about intensity !
IM ROBBIE
So if my heart rate is 85% mhr for 1 hour and 15 minutes. and i pose when i get home and my heart rate is at 50 - 60% mhr for another 2 hours, do you really think i need to be doing cardio such as spin class, or running, or swimming, or boxing, or anything else to that matter?
JAMO : Well the question I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ROBBIE ...AFTER TRYING ALL THESE THEORY ARE YOU GETTING THE RESULTS YOU LOOKING FOR ? and IF SO WRITE A LIST OF WHAT YOU GAINED FROM FOLLOWING ALL THESE THEORIES OF BODYBUILDERS YOU READ ABOUT !
MY POINT IS its all ABOUT COMMON SENSE , IF YOU ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE ..COOL ALL POWER TO YOU !!
IF YOU ARE NOT , I THINK ITS TIME TO REGROUP AND STRUTURE YOUR APPROACH AND DON"T GET OVERWHELEMED WITH THIS ONE SAID THIS! AND THIS ONE SAID THAT ! FOLLOW YOUR COMMOM SENSE !! And remember guys you see in the magazine or pics they don't look like that 365 days of the year !! BUT ONE THING for SURE SOMEONE IS TALKING FROM THEIR ASSES !!!! AND that's NOT DIRECTED TO YOU BRO , ITS DIRECTED TO ALL SO CALLED BODYBUILDERS FROM THE OLD DAYS AND NEW DAYS THAT ARE STUCK IN ONE DIMENTIONAL THEORY THINKING WHAT THEY DO IS WHAT WORKS !!!!!
my response to jamo and everyone is this...
if i am doing posing, to burn fat and to get the veins and definition in my muscles, WHY THE HELL DO I NEED TO RUN, (FOR EXAMPLE)
what does running do for me that posing is not doing. Running is not going to teach me how to flex my back, it is not going to teach me anything that i need to do on stage. let me give an easy / basic example. If im trying out for the football to be a wide receiver, am i going to practice being a wide receiver playing golf. NO! i am going to practice being that position by being that position in the off season.
Jamo - read what i said too. i am in the season. 8 weeks out. so i can not get the bloated look in my legs. i need that ripped look.
but for real, someone please tell me if i am posing for as long as i am, keepin my heart rate where i said its at, whats the point to cardio than? no one is touching on that.
everyone is critizing my diet. my diet plan that i layed out was perfect, FOR ME AT LEAST. its just the empty calories at night. but if im taking in those empty calories at night and burning them off in the morning they are doing nothing for me. I never said they will benifit me. and i agree, they will make you fat, if you dont train.
but if you train, and have the right diet up till your cheat meal of the day, whats the harm? the only harm that i can think of is going to bed fat... who the hell cares how you go to bed. if you wake up and train.
i mean sorry if this doesn't work for any of you, but keep your diet the same, cut back on the cardio, and pose. watch some posing routines.
Jamo i agree with what you say. Muscle definition is achieved threw diet. However, i believe that it is both A - diet and B- learning how to contract the muscle
you see alot of new body builders in there first and second time show who look great, but cant hold the pose. that will result in a bad placing
my heart rate at the end of my workout is sky rocketed. just as if i ran. which means i burned fat for more than 20 minutes. which means my body is in the fat burning stage. than i pose for 2 hours which will also burn fat. so on the average i am doing "cardio" for 3 and a half hours a day
jamo - when i touched on the thing about me wearing a thermal in the gym your response was like true in a way if you are not movnig slow
i told u my entire workout was a superset, no rest. bounced from one excersise to another.
Ok ..
Here is the deal , I never said you were moving slow ..I said if someone is training slow it wont work ! Now I do agree and always was a big advocate of flexing , but i did explain in my blog what was the difference between cardio and flexing a muscle . and Like i said if its working for you ..SO BE IT ! Keep doing it ! Peace Jamo
Direct Quote
so what im trying to say is... right now i already have my 185 grams of protein in me. i already have all the carbs i need which is about 110 right now. and my fats i already had when i ate 2 table spoons of peanut butter and 1 tablespoon of olive oil. so tonight, i am going to have cookie dough icecream. and tommorow morning when i wake up, i am going to train on a empty stomach doing back and chest and abs.
Then you don't need to eat ice cream.
Its much easier to put on fat than to burn it off. Especially ITS (in this situation).
I suggest to you to not eat protein supplements or any supplements. Don't do the cardio since you like this guy and his methods. I would also suggest eating 1/2 gallon of ice cream every night.
I believe you're referring to calorie DEFICIENCY not deflection. If you get "all you need" then anything extra is wasteful. This makes sense to me. I'm not sure why you would want to eat the ice cream and drink the beer if you dont need to. Just seems like adding fat to try and take it off (which is harder).
Plus extra fat is not good for your body, its not efficient and its really a waste, no matter how easy it is to get fat. This is of course for this day and age. Bodyfat was good back then, but we are easily readily available to food and tons of it.
.:. Lifestyle Changes .:.The REAL Beginner's Guide to Fitness, Health & Nutrition
http://www.myfittribe.com/blogs/imjj123/20070610/starting-out.html
bro, its not like im
its not like im just trying this method out. in 1.5 years i went from 142 lbs to 190.7. than i cut to 185. ive been eating icecream evey night. i started off at 15% body fat. than i went to 12. and with by adding the posing 1 more night a week i have l have went down to 8% body fat
my meal plan is as follows
meal 1 - 6egg whites. 1 egg yolk. 1 piece of home pride bread. .5half cup oatmeal in water. my multi's
meal 2 - 6oz chicken. 3/4 cup brown rice
meal 3 - protein shake
meal 4 - 1 can tuna. 1.5 cup lettuce. 1 banana
meal 5 -( after workout) - protein shake with blue berry's and half of a banana
meal 6- half can tuna (before posing)
meal 7 - (after posing) other half of tuna
at night, i will treat myself to ice cream, cookies, anything to that matter. I've been doing this for 1.5 years and my body has changed dramatically. Im 8 weeks out from my show. I have 6pac abs. i have cross veins in my bicep. i have veins coming out of my tricep. i have lower abdominal veins. My leg veins are coming out. you don't get all these things when you have a high percentage of bodyfat.
i never said this program will work for everyone. But i dont understand how science proves that it takes fat food to be stored as fat for 48 - 72 hours. in matter of fact i watched that video today on myfittribe, thats where im getting this information from. So if i eat shitty monday night, train at 8 oclock monday tuesday morning, that icecream is still in my system, it has not been burned off? i do not get this.
And until you do 2 hours a night of posing, and keeping your heart rate what i said during your workouts, dont think you know 2 sides to this story.
I have done both, cardio and this method. the cardio never did a damn thing for me. i would see SLIGHT weight change. and i did cardio first thing in the morning for 1 hour. the only difference i saw while doing cardio is my muscles became rounder and smaller. im not denying the fact that cardio burns fat, but is it the best fat burning method out there. Not according to fitnessatlantic.com
by the way the overall champ of that oroganization, goes to my gym. we pose in the lockeroom, and we discuss diet together. Matter of fact i did chest with him last week. he agrees with me on this posing theory.
easy win
its not like im just trying this method out. in 1.5 years i went from 142 lbs to 190.7. than i cut to 185. ive been eating icecream evey night. i started off at 15% body fat. than i went to 12. and with by adding the posing 1 more night a week i have l have went down to 8% body fat
So then, stevers has no advantage over you. You've both been training for 1.5 years. 2 years from now, you'll both have 3.5 years of training. So if he blows you out of the water, we'll see which method works better.
I've looked at both of you gentlemens' pictures, and Stevers is bigger than you. So I am pretty sure he speaks through actions. I would like to see some of your updated pics
You've obviously come just to argue, b/c i'm easy to discuss and debate with, you're bringing emotions into this with the way you're talking (typing).
Lets drop the 'tude.
PS. We're here for the "better-ment" of each other. I still stand by the fact that you dont need the ice cream and beer. I proved that by your statements. If you "WANT" to eat it, fine. I said that already. But you're only making it harder to get leaner. If you don't need the calories why eat them? I'm not talkin about once a week or whatever, because you're eating ice cream every night. That's not necessary, but if you "WANT" to, fine, I have no problem with it because it's your body. Make sense?
ACTA NON VERBA.
.:. Lifestyle Changes .:.The REAL Beginner's Guide to Fitness, Health & Nutrition
http://www.myfittribe.com/blogs/imjj123/20070610/starting-out.html
no
i am still under the belief that age has a big factor to do with muscle maturity. steve is also on creatine which does play a big factor on the muscle size and fullness. i never taken a supptlement in my life, and all of those pictures were taken when i weighed 167lbs. im 185 at the moment. i will work on getting new pictures, however i will need to ask someone to borrow there camera.
oh and PS. im not the one drinking beer it was the other guy i showed you. im the one eating icecream and cookie dough
Over 20 years old
That video on youtube referenced in the first blog is over 20 years old> what's the point in posting someone's physique that is from over 20 years ago as it relates to your current workout/diet plan?!?!?!? Very interested thread here for MFT.
who cares if it
20 years old. people still admire arnold for his body and he is just as old as this man. people study the 78 olympia and thats older then this competition. so you have no point here. dont even try to come back with an argument lol
sounds liike...
you're just looking for an excuse to do what you want to do, and hear that its ok to do that.
you're not getting it from me.
.:. Lifestyle Changes .:.The REAL Beginner's Guide to Fitness, Health & Nutrition
http://www.myfittribe.com/blogs/imjj123/20070610/starting-out.html
LOL
We'll see how far you get bro. Dont fall for their bullshit. Some people are blessed genetically and can eat whatever the hell they want. Grats to them, but dont let that fool you into thinking anyone can do it.
You train their way for a few years and we'll see how far you get. Dont ignore the basics you've been taught here. I'll continue following Jamo's and my brother's philosophies/principles (what have you). I've got a year and 6 months of bodybuilding under my belt.
Alcohol is proven to be counterproductive to putting on muscle.
No one said you HAVE to run for cardio. Personally i do spin classes on occassion. They're pretty intense. As long as you're doign something that burns calories then it doesnt matter what you do to get there. BOxing can be great too, and freaking intense.
I'm not againsst your idea of doing whatever you enjoy most for 'burning calories' and cardio does not just mean running or sprinting. It really means anything that enhances your cardiovascular health.
I am however against your choice to believe that you can eat shit and put on "quality" muscle.
But eating like shit isnt going to get you far. And thats great that some can eat like that, but that doesnt mean they're the least bit healthy. You are what you eat, and if you eat like shit, your insides will be shit.
/off_rant
i said...
that as long as you get your proper amount of protein / carbs / fats your good. i weigh 185 pounds. if i get 185grams of protein a day, than i get eat icecream. those calories will be empty calories, and i did not say they will benifit me at all. and i agree, if you eat icecream and dont train, it will turn to fat. however, if you eat ice cream at 12 at night. go to bed at 2. wake up at 10 and workout like a freakin mad man, that ice cream was burned off.
and beer has proven to be a dieritic. mike uzar / a natural body builder from CT, won every compention from here to Europe, will agree with me on that one. You should see his room it is covered with trophy's. and bro, you said you have 1.5 years of bodybuilding under your belt. The man i showed u is 63, and is in better shape than any one on this site. and he is all natural, WITH OUT SUPPLEMENTS! something not a lot of us can say! he has been bodybuilding since 20. thats a hell of alot more years than anyone on this site. he has been body building as long as jamo has been alive bro.
and i personally dont care who you listen to. Jamo is a great guy and he knows his shit. So does this man. This man / rick has a degree in this shit. in science in everything. in nutrition. go to www.communities.com
once there type in for the member search - drinkingstar
click on pictures
this guy is crazy man.
and yes everyone has different genitics. but i dont get how you are aruging the fact that posing doesn't bring out muscle devolpment. in 1 week i lost 1 % of body fat. i never did that with cardio. i also got cross veins in my bicep. a vein going threw my abs. and a vein going across my chest. the leg veins are starting to pop out. and im 8 weeks away from competition. so my body fat is still 9% which isn't good / bad. but its not competing level.
anyone on this site will tell you that posing is a workout it self. even Arnold and franco said "For every minute in the gym, its 1 minute of posing."
posing is a great freakin workout. burns fat quickly. and brings out the muscles. you are flexing your muscles for 2 hours. every muscle gets tightend from a different angel. maybe you should try it, than come back to this blog and tell me how you feel. 2 hours of posing. and pose the right way. holding each pose for 2 minutes. contracting every muscle from your feet to your head at once.
Dont put words in my mouth, or letters in my text
Where did i say posing wont be a valid form of cardio? Where? I didn't, because I would agree that if you pose long enough you'll be exhausted, and you will definitely burn calories. Read next time, I even stated which parts of your post I disagree with, and which ones im in agreeance on.
the Alcohol in beer/wine is no good for you, period.
And eating empty calories will do NOTHING beneficial for you, NOTHING. That's why they're called empty. Thats great that you will burn it off if you've been genetically blessed, BUT, you'll grow in size and strength so much more if you were to eat healthy foods as opposed to SHIT.
I didnt even bring up the fact that beer is a diuretic, I did not know it, and thats almost irrelevant to my point that alcohol is counterproductive.
I'm not trying to attack you, but with your responses I'm starting to think Will is right with his post above.
My points about the 1.5yrs was to say, that you do what this guy said, you eat this bullshit food he claims you can eat.
And I will do what Jamo says. My point is that your only excuse for me blowing you out of the water 2 years from now will have been that i have 1.5 yrs of bodybuilding under my belt already.
To say this 'all natural' guy you're referring to is in better shape than anyone on this site is just trying pick a fight. Have you seen everyone on this site? Nevermind, thats a rhetorical question because clearly you have not.
Go ahead though, let this man fill your head with bullshit.
Just because he makes a point about posing being a great form of cardio, and in fact necessary to competiting (Which is already well known by most of the people that are active on this site already), doesn't mean that he's valid on everything he says.
And the fact that he's trying to get you to believe him that this way of eating is healthy, or will work just makes me loathe the man even more. Being in bodybuilding that long he should know that very few could eat that way and still stay lean, so why preach it. Shame on him.
i am not trying ot turn this into a internet fight i am...
i am just voicing my opinion. and congratulations for you and your 1.5 years of bodybuilding. im competing september 13 for a show. what shows have you done?
and i hope in 2 years you blow me out of the water. i will be 18, you will be 22. 4 year difference. i would hope you blow me out of the water man, if not, thats sad.
And just to tell you, i have horrible genetics. If i eat junk food, i get a bloaded feeling. For example, last night i ate icecream and cookie dough. I woke up with out abs. like i had a stomach, but the abs were not showing as well as they usually do. I weighed 190 pounds when im usually 185 - 187. However, i will pose. and i went to the gym on a empty stomach to burn even more calories.
I never said junk food will benefit you in any way, so dont put "words in my mouth or letters in my text"
i clearly said that if you get all your sources of protein, in my case 185 grams, all your sources of carbs, in my case 100 - 200 grams of carbs, and all sources of fat, empty calories wont hurt you. IF YOU KEEP TRAINING THE NEXT DAY.
if i eat icecream monday, tuesday, wednesday, thrusday, and have not trained on those days, i will get fatter. On non train days, my diet is clean as hell. On training days, i dont care what i eat, as long as i get everything i need.
do you have a private email address, i will send you his thesis statement and maybe it will make more sense to you. this man has done what Darwin has done for science, to bodybuilding. he is very well known. so please, whats your personal email i would like to send you his thesis statement.
AND.... i never said Jamo or whoever else on this site never knows what they are talking about. Just looking at jamo you can tell he knows what he is talking about. so go ahead on follow him. but read his 250 page thesis statement first to get 2 options to choose from.
lets discuss cardio right now. FOR ME! running makes my legs "bloaded" it doesn't make them bigger but i loose definition. i dont know if it makes it smaller. however seeing how im competing soon, i am staying away from running because i want definition in my legs.
Swimming - builds the back very well. cuts tons of calories. but for me, it doesn't do anything for my arms.
Riding the bike - same thing as running
Stair master - kills the legs, cant argue that. but i want cardio to benifit my entire body.
Boxing - is great. i box. however, it doesn't teach you muscle seperation. it just builds the lats, and shoulders.
Jump Rope - boring as hell and does the same thing for me as the stair master.
Posing for me and many other people, teaches them muscle seperation. Muscle control. And burns fat at the same time. And you are holding your breath for 2 minutes in the vocum, front double bicep shot. All of you try holding your breath out there for 2 minutes. your heart will beat faster. So for me posing is what burns fat.
Oh let me touch on my workout real quick. the whole point of cardio is to get your heart right higher, finding what heart rate works for you for 20 or more minutes in order to burn fat. i mean there is more techinal shit than that, but thats why most people do cardio, to burn fat.
So try this, go to the gym and sprint for 2 minutes. your heart rate will sky rocket if you ran at 12mph for 2 minutes.
Than lets say its a chest and back day. try this
chest press - lat pull down 4sets of 10 - 12
vbar pull down with dumbell flys 4 sets of 10 - 12
dead lift with decline press 4 sets of 8-10
cable cross overs with pull backs / rows 4 sets 8-10
back flies with incline press - 4 sets of 10 - 12
incline dumbell with underhand lat pull down. 4 sets of 10 - 12 reps
thats 6 excersises for both chest and back, which is a pretty solid workout.
The sprinting for the short 2 minutes on the treadmill got my heart rate up. Now if i did this workout properly, the entire thing as a superset, no rest in between excersises, my heart rate will stay elavted for the entire 1 hour and 15 minutes in the gym.
I will keep the same heart rate as if i sprinted for the same amount of time. 75 - 85% MHR for 1 hour and 15. So in sense i did cardio for 1 hour and 15 minutes.
Let me also say that i workout with gym shorts, wife beater, tshirt and a thermal or a hoody, YEAR ROUND.
not to sweat out the water weight, but because when the body is hotter it burns more calories.
So if my heart rate is 85% mhr for 1 hour and 15 minutes. and i pose when i get home and my heart rate is at 50 - 60% mhr for another 2 hours, do you really think i need to be doing cardio such as spin class, or running, or swimming, or boxng, or anything else to that matter?
Bro, you need to understand something.
Once you hit puberty, age doesnt matter.
Simple fact is, you were already post-pubecent when you started training. So you've been training for 1.5 yrs?
Okay, i was 19 when i started training, and was a tiny 165lbs. And i've been training for 1.5years. How long i've been living is irrelevant when we both start training after we hit puberty.
Tell me from a physiological or biological standpoint how me starting at 19 and you starting at, what, 15? Makes any difference in terms of how much we can put on. Simple fact is, it wont. Not unless one of us is past our 'prime' which is around mid 30s.
Yeah, its all about how long you've been training, not your age.
Your body does not burn a significant amount of calories more because your heart rate is up, wearing baggy/heavy clothes only makes you sweat more and lose water faster. Thats just putting you at a much higher risk for dehydration.
I'm most angered by your title for this blog.. 'The truth... yaddah yaddah' as if to imply that you CAN in fact eat anything you want and it wont make a difference. Thats complete bullshit, and as jamo said, and i've stated earlier, you are what you eat. If you eat empty calories you wont benefit from them at all.. if you eat quality nutrients, you'll grow. Thats a pretty bold statement to take on.
As far as 'not trying to turn this into an internet fight' yes you are.. clearly... your making statements that are completely lacking in substance and irrelevant to the topic we're discussing. your just trying to throw insults. i would hope you blow me out of the water man, if not, thats sad.
Again, irrelevant. Once you get it through your stubborn head that its all about how long you've been training and not your biological age, then you'll realize.
you think some of the guys that are far younger than jay cutler that are competing against him complain that hes older? Nope. Because a lot of them simply started at a younger age, but have been training close to as long. And you have horrible genetics? Omg lets not play that card. Once you train for 5 years, then you can play that 'omg my genetics suck' card. Until then, you have no idea what your genetic potential is. So your also implying that my genetics are good? Give me a break. In fact, for some proof, i have shorter muscle bellies than most people, which puts me at a disadvantage for gaining size, but do i complain? nope. Never brought it up until just now.
Lets get something straight. Foods you eat will do one of TWO things:
A) Hurt you in goal attainment
or
B) Help you in goal attainment
So, if they dont hurt you, they will help you.
You said empty calories wont hurt you, so then your implying they help you.
Theres no middle ground.
If this man is comparable to Darwin in the bodybuilding world, I should've at least heard of him before. And im sorry, anyone that tells others they can eat whatever they want and look amazing, doesnt deserve my time of day. Most people cannot, so dont fill their head will misleading bullshit.
And one final thing, its not about how many competitions you've been in that determines your bodybuilding status. I choose not to make a fool of myself. I went to the NPC in Pittsburgh last year, and watched the 17-19yr olds make jokes of themselves. They were simply so full of themselves they thought they were bodybuilders. They were all scrawny, no thickness whatsoever, most had been training for a good two years.. im not going to embarrass myself like that. Their ab visibility was almost non-existant! And they were lubed up and tanned beyond belief, both of those help to bring out definition a lot.
Make sure to post your competition photos when you take them.
But anyhow, im done with this topic. At this point you're not willing to be open minded and im sure im just going to get even more juvenile if I continue to argue.
steve....
ur just as stuborn as me. you can not tell me that 20 years olds do not have a more mature body.
i never see a 15 year old with a beard. i mean lets face it, its rare. a 20 year old always has facial hair, generally speaking.
so dont say once you hit puberty age doesn't matter. you sound like a fool. age does matter.
and lets not talk about jay cutler here. that guy is on so much HGH. lets stick to the natural people.
If this man is comparable to Darwin in the bodybuilding world, I should've at least heard of him before. And im sorry, anyone that tells others they can eat whatever they want and look amazing, doesnt deserve my time of day. Most people cannot, so dont fill their head will misleading bullshit.
did i ever freakin say you could eat what every you want and look freakin amazing. NO
i said you need to have a diet plan and get all your proper portions of fats proteins and carbs. than eat w/e you want.
so whats your personal email bro, i think you need to read his thesis.
and yes i will post up my pictures. and just to tell you, i looked at your pictures, and im already bigger than you at my age. or atleast int he pictures it looks like that. and your abs, were not visable at all. you are clearly not at 8% (i saw u say that to someone) unless those pictures were older than when you said it. my abs look better. im at 9% body fat.
and stfu about being me being a juvenile. because as for you, training for 1.5 years. you still look scrany to me. you are 20 - 21 years old. check out www.fitnessatlantic.com
the over champ is 20 years old. and he been training since senior year of highschool. thats how you shuold look. cuz thats about 1.5 years for him.
by the way he's natural
Wow.
That's all I can say. My jaw dropped reading your last comments. First off I would never insult someone the way you did. yes I can be stubborn, but dont compare me to you, we're not even close. You've stopped 'discussing' the topic at hand a long time ago, and now you're just attacking people.
Bro you gotta chill out, we're here to help each other. Lol, and now you're attacking me? Because I voiced my opinion? Don't ask me for any help again bro, I'll leave you to your own thoughts.
And you're already bigger than me? Well congratulations if you are, thats great. I'm happy for you.
But again, don't ask me for help, in fact i wish i hadn't responded to your supplement post because I didnt read this blog. But if you want to argue about size, why dont you just post up your measurements, and put new pics.
And again, I would not insult or attack you. ALl i was attacking was your argument.
Age does not matter
Why do you keep arguing with everyone?
I'm not going to lie, you sound like me, so I know what you're facing here :D. If i have a point I think is valid I will argue my point, but unlike you I am open to everyone's ideas, I just want them to back it up with some type of legitimacy and I don't often fold to anecdotle evidences. THen again, I am big into believing anything is possible.
This really all goes back to my main point. Subconsciously or consciously, all you're really doing here is trying to show us that we should be ok with, you're seeking our approval, that what you're doing (eating 1/2 gallon ice cream at night and drinking beer) is ok and should be done regularly "as long as" you purge via exercise to get rid of it. You have to take a step back and analyze what you're really doing. Its not good to drink for your body. Alcohol has many proven risks, and no real benefits that are purely alcohol based (meaning you can't find them anywhere else). Wine has polyphenols, but other foods have it too.
If you want to eat ice cream, go ahead. You shouldn't worry about how other people feel about it, but you are, and that's hard not to do, i understand. You seem to be getting angry because these people don't agree with it, but you should also respect THEIR views and opinions against it or for it. Dont get mad when they dont agree with it becuase not everyone will always agree.
Age doesnt matter. What matters is time training. If he has been training 1.5 years and you have been training 1 year, then he will always only have 3/2 comparitive to you. This honestly & sincerely doesnt hold any ground because age doesnt matter, again, time training does.
Its rude to make it an excuse that "hey you're older by 4 years you should blow me out of the water, otheriwse you're pathetic". Think about it.
And just to tell you, i have horrible genetics. If i eat junk food, i get a bloaded feeling. For example, last night i ate icecream and cookie dough. I woke up with out abs. like i had a stomach, but the abs were not showing as well as they usually do. I weighed 190 pounds when im usually 185 - 187. However, i will pose. and i went to the gym on a empty stomach to burn even more calories.
Need I say more?
Whatever you do, I hope you are successful in it, and who knows maybe you will be jacked from ice cream & beer.
Keep us updated. & Drop the 'Tude, it will help you further in life.
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oh yah
beer is a dieritc because if you drink 12 ounces you get rid of 13.