question for jamo !!

How old are you currently? (16,17,18,19'ish)
How many years have you been "training"?
How many steroids are you taking?
How many growth hormones are you taking?
How much protein do you take in?
How many supplements do you take and for what?
How much do you spend on supplements a month?

So once you answer all these, you should check out the answers to the pro's questions and then compare training techniques.
I think you're overlooking some very important things behind all of your training and dieting. I really think you're wasting your money no a lot of supplements. Granted the companies will tell you and show you via "clinical trials" not approved by the FDA that things work but have you tried without them to see if they work?
On top of all of this things Darren, what works for one person might not work for someone else, so the idea that if it works for the pros, then it shoudl work for you is really kind of absurd, dont you agree? I mean, they're on drugs, they're on hormones. On top of that they have been training for a while, so while they may need something drastically different, you still should use the basics for a lot of years to build up base.
Why train and isolate when you don't need to do that yet. If you do squats and lots of compound movements, you'll invovle so many more muscles. Isolating training is a type of trainign, yes its bodybuilding, but many bodybuilders were also powerlifters before, which is where they built most of their size. I mean, have you even thought about that yet?

I know you "know" a lot, but it doesnt hurt to accept other peoples ideas, and see what you and they think might work one way or the other. Most people arent arguing with you or even saying you're wrong, like me, i'm just offering you some questions that will help you figure out if your A and B therefore C logical techniques are really working or are logical at all.
And i too am getting the feeling that very frequently you are switching routines and not really giving any one a chance to work. I know too well this feelign because I have done the same thing, almost all of us, I would bet, have experienced this too.

Hope that helps mate., good talkin with you again. LaterZ

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Will_I_Am (855c)

hey...not trying to run a line in your thinking...I am sure that training is all good, but it seems that you get impatient and bored VERY quickly. of course you do need to change up your routine every 6 weeks or so to shock your body into new growth, but that doesnt mean you have to completely start a new program. you can change body splits, etc.

if you choose to do this, good luck with it! let us know how it all goes.

All you need to do to stretch your facia is get a maximum blood pump, then stretch the muscle when you are pumped...as in getting full range of motion on lifts and getting a good stretch on each lift, as well as stretching afterwords

Hope this helps...good luck m8