So, What is the Guideline for Water Again?

Brian Zehetner's picture

This question has been debated for quite some time, without a lot of definitive answers …until recently. So, we decided to provide a little refresher on how to stay hydrated even during the coldest winter months.

In February of 2005, the Institute of Medicine released the dietary report on water, salt and potassium. The panel came to some interesting conclusions about how much water (or actually fluid) a healthy, sedentary person needs on a daily basis. Using national data, it was determined that adequately hydrated women typically drink about 91oz. per day and men about 125oz. per day. These values represent total fluids, which include caffeinated beverages and the water contained in food. The report basically allows us to count all beverages, assuming caffeine and alcohol are consumed in moderation, and also says we should use thirst as the determinant for how much we need. Keep in mind; however, thirst is not the best indicator in extreme environmental conditions or for those who are very active.

Does this information mean that the old 8- 8oz. glasses of water are a thing of the past? The answer is possibly. To be honest, there really isn’t any scientific evidence supporting this recommendation, though it is still well accepted by many health organizations. Some experts actually think the recommendation came from a 1945 Food and Nutrition Board statement that was misinterpreted (1). In reality, some studies have shown that we need less than 8x8, while others have indicated more might be ideal. It seems like someone’s size, or more specifically body weight, may be an important factor.

The fluid guidelines determined by the Institute of Medicine are general recommendations, but how much do YOU need on a daily basis? Clearly a 120-pound woman doesn’t need as much fluid as a 250-pound man, assuming activity levels and environmental conditions are similar. One way to determine your fluid needs is to take your body weight (lbs) and divide it in half—then drink this amount of fluid ounces. This covers the typical losses from feces, urine, perspiration and respiration for your given body size. After that, activity level and environmental conditions may increase this number even further. Another way to calculate fluid needs is to drink 1 milliliter for every calorie you expend. This is the RDA for water and is based on the idea that water loss parallels energy metabolism (2). The RDA also included a recommendation of 1.5 milliliters per calorie expended, which would account for activity, sweating and solutes. I think the former guideline is more practical, being that it is very difficult for individuals to keep their calorie expenditure consistent from day-to-day.

Remember, staying properly hydrated is one of the most important things you can do for your health. Try to keep your urine looking somewhat clear or pale yellow and make sure your weight doesn’t fluctuate drastically from day to day. This will help ensure you’re getting the amount that you need. If you have any questions about fluids or hydration in general, talk to a registered dietitian.

Valtin, “Drink at Least Eight Glasses of Water a Day.” Really? Is There Scientific Evidence for “8x8”? 2002.
Dietary Reference Intakes for Water, Potassium, Sodium, Chloride, and Sulfate. 2004.

Average: 5 (1 vote)

Im a water fiend.

Stevers's picture

Water hates me because I drink so much of it and I always want more!! :p

Good article, I dont measure how much water I drink, but I am going to start to see just how much I drink.

Surprised!!!!!!

eurasian04's picture

I think this is the first time that you did not dispute an article posted here by a tribe member. It is , indeed, very nice to be civil sometimes. Peace to all tribe members!!

HEALTH IS WEALTH.

haha .

will_i_am's picture

Nice to see u have a fan club stevers.
dispute is that good word? i didnt look it up for the exact definition. hwoever... i learn the same way my bro does (or vis versa)
if we learn something (or its "common sense") and we hear something or learn something else.. we ask why b/c espedcially me... i like to learn things DEEPLY.. like microcellularly :D

adn im not braggin at all. b ut i read a lot and im pretty smart bro (eurasian) and if u give me the medically clinically supporting facts and details... i will understand it and in fact, i will LEARN it... not just memorize it, so in the future, i will be able to explain WHY something is.. not just "THAT" it is or happens...

all that and that's why im pretty much where i am knowledge wise today.. and im going to keep gettting bigger, better and stronger both mind, physically and spirtually (even those the latter needs much work :D )

a.k.a. Ry_i_am

COME ON!!

eurasian04's picture

Disputing an article without presenting the facts is different from disputing an article at the same time presenting the facts to support your arguments. Whether you stand for the former or the latter depends entirely on your knowledge of the Science of Bodybuilding. If you want to discuss something "microcellularly", post it and let the tribe members judge if it is worth our time.Let tribe members agree or "DISPUTE" your article but bear in mind that if I am going to dispute an article, I will present facts to support my arguments. That is what you call respect but to dispute just for sake of disputing is immaturity or ignorance if I could call it as such.Peace to all tribe members!!!

HEALTH IS WEALTH.

I agree

Stevers's picture

So tell me Sherlock, what post are you referring to?
When I was in high school my friends and I would argue just to be right. We all had that mind frame at some point. I have not argued like that for years. I've already realized that there is no point in being "right" when neither side has learned anything. I'd rather be wrong and have learned than to be right and to have not.

Its funny, you're the first person that has said anything, ever... concerning this matter. And its not just because you're the only one with "the guts" to do so. Think about it....

So again I ask, what post are you referring to?
Better yet, send it to me in a private message so we can stop bickering off-topic from the O.P.
If you show me one I'll gladly announce it in a blog and apologize for being ignorant. Its not my intent.
And from now on, if you have an issue with me, send me a private message.
We're making both of ourselves look bad by bickering.

Fan club.

Stevers's picture

I didn't know I had a fan club. Thats nice of you to read every article I post on though, I didn't know you cared that much. It sure is nice to feel so loved. Thanks for the support!!

P.S., its not about winning or losing, its about bettering yourself and helping others in the process if you can. Thats why I am here.
- Steve

functional water intake

tribe doc's picture

My feeling is that in all matters of health we should abide by the principle of functionality. If the system is functioning optimally, then its probably the right amount. In terms of water, I think this can be applied as well. I do not have faith in anything listed as the RDA, that perspective is more along the lines of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" rather than optimal health. One only has to look at health statistics to see that these types of recommendations don't work.
I think the simple suggestions you made, ie if the person doesn't feel thirsty and his/her urine is fairly clear (non concentrated), they are probably getting enough fluids. Additionally, because of their diuretic effect, alcohol and caffeine drinks should not be consdered fuid intake.
Darren Clair, MD
Vibrance Health Services

Hello Doc...

Brian Zehetner's picture

Good advice as always...

My life philosophy (if you didn't know) is the KISS Method...Keep It Simple Stupid. We health professionals like to complicate the hell out of things, so these types of recs are always included.

That said, caffeine is not in the same category as alcohol when it comes to diuresis. Many individuals will urinate the same volume if they take in two cups of water or two cups of coffee, though there is certainly individuality here. Therefore, if someone has a soda for example or a cup of coffee, I do advise them to count it in their daily fluids. As mentioned, the Dietary Reference Intake Report supported this. Now, in my own opinion, if you count your coffee in pots (or take in excessive amounts), then we probably shouldn't be counting this. I don't think we can say where the cut-off is at this point, but if someone has a soda, they certainly aren't just peeing away the water in that beverage (especially with only 50mgs caffeine on average)....
I think the same can be said for those that drink one cup of coffee as a pick-me-up in the morning :)

B

Brian Zehetner MS,RD,CSSD,CSCS

JamCore and Myfittribe "Nutrition Guy"

caffeine

tribe doc's picture

It's interesting that caffeine does not seem to cause increased urine output even though it is a mild diuretic. I guess its a more mild diuretic than I had thought! Thanks for the information Brian!
Darren Clair, MD
Vibrance Health Services

Strong post

bchenk's picture

strong post doc

Bobby
- if you let your fears keep you from flying, you will never reach your high-

GREAT RULE ....

Seansgold's picture

Body weight in half, best result for me....... And clients too..

Thanks "B"

Sean Aka "SUPERMAN"
"FIT LIFE"

cool

bchenk's picture

great info but now im almost 200 pounds so if i drink 100 ounces thats good.. got it! BUT what if you take creatine, drink whey, and take vitamins, all this stuff has to process through your liver and kidneys and stuff should i drink even more?

p.s i drink about 200 ounces between 9 and 5 during the week alone at least 3 pints during work out and then the rest of the day lol so i drink enough.. and pee alot.. as you can tell but just curious!?

Bobby
- if you let your fears keep you from flying, you will never reach your high-

Hello...

Brian Zehetner's picture

Hey Bro,

I think you're just fine on fluids...but don't let that peeing get in the way of your training. LOL

B

Brian Zehetner MS,RD,CSSD,CSCS
JamCore and Myfittribe "Nutrition Guy"

LOL

Ravinous's picture

LOLOL...